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  • '73 or '74? whats the deal?

    I just purchased what is titled as a 1973 International pickup. Although the VIN shows that it is a 1974 model. The part number for my headers that I just ordered were for a 1974 also, based on the exhaust manifold design. Also I thought that trucks starting in 1974 had coil springs, where I have leaf springs all around. Do I have a mix of a 1973 and 74 or what? I don't know a lot about Internationals, let me know what you think. Thanks.
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    1974 1/2 ton P/U 345/T-19 Wide Ratio/NP205, 38.5X16R15 TSL's/44 front/blown out 44 rear , 4bbl, stan's headers, true dual exhaust
    1972 3/4 ton Camper Special P/U 392/727 2wd that will become the new wheeler once I can afford to convert it to 4x4 and find some dana 60's
    1996 1/2 ton Dodge Ram 318, auto, shift kit, 4.56 gears, mopar performance ecu, AEM cold air intake, hedman headers, true dual exhaust, 315/75R16 BFG's

  • #2
    I kind of have the same thing going. Scout was bought at action and because build date was 10/72 every thing says 72..it is actually a 73 and I need to get the paper work changed.

    Good luck!

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    • #3
      I heard once that anything built after May in that year is considered the next year's model. One of my vehicles right now says 10/92 and it is considered a 93. Just my .02

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      • #4
        I was sorta thinking it might be the same kind of deal, where the build date was in 73, but it was a 74. It still doesn't make sense though if it is a 74 because I have leaf springs all around and I thought they started with coil springs in 74. Maybe I got some bad information though, I don't know too much of the history behind International.
        1974 1/2 ton P/U 345/T-19 Wide Ratio/NP205, 38.5X16R15 TSL's/44 front/blown out 44 rear , 4bbl, stan's headers, true dual exhaust
        1972 3/4 ton Camper Special P/U 392/727 2wd that will become the new wheeler once I can afford to convert it to 4x4 and find some dana 60's
        1996 1/2 ton Dodge Ram 318, auto, shift kit, 4.56 gears, mopar performance ecu, AEM cold air intake, hedman headers, true dual exhaust, 315/75R16 BFG's

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        • #5
          The part I don't get is that I needed headers for the 74 because my manifolds dump behind the starter, but I have the frame setup of the 73.
          1974 1/2 ton P/U 345/T-19 Wide Ratio/NP205, 38.5X16R15 TSL's/44 front/blown out 44 rear , 4bbl, stan's headers, true dual exhaust
          1972 3/4 ton Camper Special P/U 392/727 2wd that will become the new wheeler once I can afford to convert it to 4x4 and find some dana 60's
          1996 1/2 ton Dodge Ram 318, auto, shift kit, 4.56 gears, mopar performance ecu, AEM cold air intake, hedman headers, true dual exhaust, 315/75R16 BFG's

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          • #6
            73/74

            Do you have the side motormounts or are they on the front of the motor ? The coils were on the two wheel drive only , pic appears to be 4x4 . I understood modelyear cutoff to be in August.Jon.
            70 1300 4x4 Travelette,"Clifford",'75 200 1ton 4x4 w/service bed , '74 ScoutII,36x14.50 swampers ,AKA:Rusty ,SOA,RS,D44/D608hole/narrowed,divorced NP202,6 point cage to frame,'"79 SII(Wifes)SOA,304 , 4sp., 37" ProComps, 8000lb. Warn .73'1210 4x4Travelall,392,4sp.,barndoors , 8" lift in progress(She wants 38's). '64 1300 1 ton Travelette 4x4 "Tatonka".
            (2)1980 Scouts with consecutive serial numbers..

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            • #7
              I'll have to check the motor mounts, whats the difference between if they are in the front or on the sides? With the coil springs only being on the 2 wheel drive it should mean my truck is a 74. My truck is a 1/2 ton 4x4.
              1974 1/2 ton P/U 345/T-19 Wide Ratio/NP205, 38.5X16R15 TSL's/44 front/blown out 44 rear , 4bbl, stan's headers, true dual exhaust
              1972 3/4 ton Camper Special P/U 392/727 2wd that will become the new wheeler once I can afford to convert it to 4x4 and find some dana 60's
              1996 1/2 ton Dodge Ram 318, auto, shift kit, 4.56 gears, mopar performance ecu, AEM cold air intake, hedman headers, true dual exhaust, 315/75R16 BFG's

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              • #8
                Motormounts

                The side mounts were used on the 74/75 truck/t-all ,this was the reason for the reardump manifolds( which were prone to cracking), the previous years used the front mounts .Also the grill on '73 has vertical opening in center 74/75 does not.74/75 used ignition on steering column not on dash.
                70 1300 4x4 Travelette,"Clifford",'75 200 1ton 4x4 w/service bed , '74 ScoutII,36x14.50 swampers ,AKA:Rusty ,SOA,RS,D44/D608hole/narrowed,divorced NP202,6 point cage to frame,'"79 SII(Wifes)SOA,304 , 4sp., 37" ProComps, 8000lb. Warn .73'1210 4x4Travelall,392,4sp.,barndoors , 8" lift in progress(She wants 38's). '64 1300 1 ton Travelette 4x4 "Tatonka".
                (2)1980 Scouts with consecutive serial numbers..

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                • #9
                  My truck must be a 74 then because the ignition is on the steering column and the engine mounts are on the sides. Thanks for the insight.
                  1974 1/2 ton P/U 345/T-19 Wide Ratio/NP205, 38.5X16R15 TSL's/44 front/blown out 44 rear , 4bbl, stan's headers, true dual exhaust
                  1972 3/4 ton Camper Special P/U 392/727 2wd that will become the new wheeler once I can afford to convert it to 4x4 and find some dana 60's
                  1996 1/2 ton Dodge Ram 318, auto, shift kit, 4.56 gears, mopar performance ecu, AEM cold air intake, hedman headers, true dual exhaust, 315/75R16 BFG's

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                  • #10
                    Another problem with IH light line trucks was they were sold by truck dealers. If a 1974 model was sold in 1976 a lot of truck dealers would title it as a 1976. Hence the listing in some parts books of a 1981 and 82 Scout II
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                    • #11
                      heres a few other indicators: 4 wheel disc brakes= '74. outlet on exhaust manifold out the rear= '74. grill w/horizontal chrome bars all the way across= '74. grill with chrome bars and a vertical gap in the center= '73. open front knuckle= '74. elctronic ignition only used on '74 and later but some '74s had points. 200='74. 1210='73. assuming these are still stock.-ryan

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                      • #12
                        4Wheel disc brakes Thats a new one on me!!
                        70 1300 4x4 Travelette,"Clifford",'75 200 1ton 4x4 w/service bed , '74 ScoutII,36x14.50 swampers ,AKA:Rusty ,SOA,RS,D44/D608hole/narrowed,divorced NP202,6 point cage to frame,'"79 SII(Wifes)SOA,304 , 4sp., 37" ProComps, 8000lb. Warn .73'1210 4x4Travelall,392,4sp.,barndoors , 8" lift in progress(She wants 38's). '64 1300 1 ton Travelette 4x4 "Tatonka".
                        (2)1980 Scouts with consecutive serial numbers..

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                        • #13
                          I don't think it has 4 wheel disk brakes, but I'll let you guys know.
                          1974 1/2 ton P/U 345/T-19 Wide Ratio/NP205, 38.5X16R15 TSL's/44 front/blown out 44 rear , 4bbl, stan's headers, true dual exhaust
                          1972 3/4 ton Camper Special P/U 392/727 2wd that will become the new wheeler once I can afford to convert it to 4x4 and find some dana 60's
                          1996 1/2 ton Dodge Ram 318, auto, shift kit, 4.56 gears, mopar performance ecu, AEM cold air intake, hedman headers, true dual exhaust, 315/75R16 BFG's

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                          • #14
                            My '72 has open knuckles, too.

                            '74 has front discs, both 2wd and 4x4, except for the 1T.

                            The '74 has the engine set back 7-8", uses the side motor mounts (which means you can't put a pre-74 motor in), rear-dump exhaust manifolds, deep shroud, and a different radiator (different necks) from a 69-73. B/c of the engine setback, the '74 uses the rear-sump pan and rear-sump pump, similar to a SII but w/o the hump.

                            The hood and grille have bulges in the center.

                            Ignition switch is on the column.

                            Intermediate 'shaft between the tranny and the NP205 is shorter than a 69-73, but the front driveshaft is the same length, rear is the same or very close. 74/75s have a 1"-2" stretch on the WB compared to a 69-73. (I think the short-box went from 113-115, T'all from 119-120, long-box from 131 to 133.. and in my 4dr/long combo, from 164 in '73 to 166 in 74/75)

                            74/75 also has a wider rear spring spacing on all but a 1T. The spring hangers are spaced away from the frame a good bit. A 69-73 has them right up next to the side of the frame.

                            The frames are very similar, but not identical. A 74/75 has the spring shackle hanger up front, with a strut-rod mount for the IFS A-arm/coil suspension behind it. The 69-73s have a second shackle mount area behind the first, for the longer 2wd leaf springs.

                            Prior to '74, all 4x4s were drum fronts.

                            A '74 392 will have a Thermoquad spread-bore, while a '73 392 would have a Holley square-bore 4bbl.


                            Here's my '72 1110 open-knuckle, 392, 727, 4x4 Travelall



                            And here's my '74 200 Travelette Camper Special.



                            Notice the bulge in the center of the grille and hood? You can put a 69-73 hood on a 74/75, but it won't quite match up the body lines. It'll fit fine though.

                            And here's the 392 I built for the T'ette, core came from my '74 100 single-cab with side motor mounts. You can see the black motor mount brackets and RPT motor mounts bolted up to it, along with the special rear-dump Stan's industrial chrome plated headers..



                            And the flip side for good measure..



                            Front fenders, inner and outer will mostly swap from 69-74, some 75s are different. Big differences from 69-74 are the hood latch mechanism and the size/location of the marker lights.

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                            • #15
                              Thanks for all of the extra input. I was also sold a 72 2 wheel drive pickup as a parts truck with the 74. Now I have a better idea of what I can actually use off of it. Will the windshield on the 72 work on the 74 though? Mines cracked. Thanks again guys.
                              1974 1/2 ton P/U 345/T-19 Wide Ratio/NP205, 38.5X16R15 TSL's/44 front/blown out 44 rear , 4bbl, stan's headers, true dual exhaust
                              1972 3/4 ton Camper Special P/U 392/727 2wd that will become the new wheeler once I can afford to convert it to 4x4 and find some dana 60's
                              1996 1/2 ton Dodge Ram 318, auto, shift kit, 4.56 gears, mopar performance ecu, AEM cold air intake, hedman headers, true dual exhaust, 315/75R16 BFG's

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